Guest AlanA Posted November 2, 2004 Report Posted November 2, 2004 But the deal on a brand new Renault Espace Initiale 2.2 DCi was just too good to miss. I looked at the Citroen/Peugeot model but hated the handbrake position, the Chrysler Voyager`was far too expensive for what it gave you, so it was down to the Galaxy 130 Ghia or the Espace. I enjoyed driving them both, both had six speed boxes, but in the end the flexibility of the Espace, the lovely lines of the body, and quite honestly, the paucity of goodies on the Galaxy swung it for me, so i am the proud owner of a Storm Blue Initiale with extra tinted galss, heated washer jets and seats. It drives so well. Quote
seatkid Posted November 2, 2004 Report Posted November 2, 2004 Better start learning/practicing " Je Ne Regrette Rien " :P Quote
johnb80 Posted November 2, 2004 Report Posted November 2, 2004 You'll regret it the first time you ever have to buy any parts, you'll see. Regards - JB Quote
Guest AlanA Posted November 2, 2004 Report Posted November 2, 2004 You'll regret it the first time you ever have to buy any parts, you'll see. Regards - JB 3 year warranty, 3 year AA assistancewhy would I need to buy parts? Quote
johnb80 Posted November 2, 2004 Report Posted November 2, 2004 Ah so you're tied to dealer servicing and of course there always the parts not covered by the warranty get a stone through a headlamp glass for instance. Good luck, you'll need it - Been there, done that NEVER AGAIN. Regards - JB Quote
Guest Andyjflet Posted November 3, 2004 Report Posted November 3, 2004 Good luck with your Espace, I'm sure it will be a fine car for you, we areall entitled to our own choice and opinions, sounds like some toungue in cheek pretend bitterness here :P Quote
johnb80 Posted November 3, 2004 Report Posted November 3, 2004 No not pretend bitternes, bitter experience. Renault have their typically French arrogance, try to duck out of Warranty issues and finally after being disgraced via the web and threatened with court coughed up for the repairs. I had to battle for nearly 10 days without a car that I desperately needed for work. In all my years of motoring I have never been treated like this. It was my first Renault and my last. I do hope you have more sucess with your's than I did with mine, I don't wish to rain on your parade at all, I just feel people should know what they're getting into. Regards - John Quote
Ivor_E_Tower Posted November 3, 2004 Report Posted November 3, 2004 I've had bad experiences with Renault UK's customer "service" too (What a misnomer) with the Scenic that my other half now drives. The Espace is good, but watch for the disintegrating crankshaft thrust washer that results in a bill for a new engine....OK if you can afford to change the Espace as soon as the warranty runs out.......... (personally I'd love to get the 3.0 V6 diesel :P ) Quote
suzuki91 Posted November 3, 2004 Report Posted November 3, 2004 i had one a long time ago G reg. i thought the interia build quality was very poor.you needed a special screw driver for all the screws. just regreted paying all that money as well! and the dealer forgot to pay off the finance when i bought it from him. found out when i tried to sell it. Quote
Guest AlanA Posted November 4, 2004 Report Posted November 4, 2004 Ah so you're tied to dealer servicing and of course there always the parts not covered by the warranty get a stone through a headlamp glass for instance. Good luck, you'll need it - Been there, done that NEVER AGAIN. Regards - JB That is the same for any new car, even a Ford. Quote
Guest AlanA Posted November 4, 2004 Report Posted November 4, 2004 I've had bad experiences with Renault UK's customer "service" too (What a misnomer) with the Scenic that my other half now drives. The Espace is good, but watch for the disintegrating crankshaft thrust washer that results in a bill for a new engine....OK if you can afford to change the Espace as soon as the warranty runs out.......... (personally I'd love to get the 3.0 V6 diesel :o ) I always do change my car every three years, I looked at the 3.0 Ltr deisel, but was trying to reduce my insurance costs, plus it was about Quote
Guest AlanA Posted November 4, 2004 Report Posted November 4, 2004 i had one a long time ago G reg. i thought the interia build quality was very poor.you needed a special screw driver for all the screws. just regreted paying all that money as well! and the dealer forgot to pay off the finance when i bought it from him. found out when i tried to sell it. The latest version is built by Renault themselves, not by Matra? No special screws as far as I can see, the build quality is very good, fantastic shut lines, very comfortable leather seats, and I am very impressed with the smoothness of the six speed box. Quote
johnb80 Posted November 4, 2004 Report Posted November 4, 2004 Ah so you're tied to dealer servicing and of course there always the parts not covered by the warranty get a stone through a headlamp glass for instance. Good luck, you'll need it - Been there, done that NEVER AGAIN. Regards - JB That is the same for any new car, even a Ford. This is true BUT parts from Ford and labour rates are a) Much more reasonably priced, :o More readily available and c) Not accompanied by arrogance. My neighbour had a brand new Laguna in January this year, it was plagued with problems from the start, the engine would go to tickover at any time for no apparent reason. It kept going back to the garage and coming back with no fault found. Finally he refused to drive it, his company insisted on another car being supplied, another new Laguna arrived. The exact same thing happened, eventually after 4 months Renault admitted there was a problem and took his diesel away and loaned him a petrol one. Finally 2 weeks ago he got his diesel back only to have the gearbox fail this week. Now thats impressive ! Regards - John Quote
Guest AlanA Posted November 4, 2004 Report Posted November 4, 2004 Ah so you're tied to dealer servicing and of course there always the parts not covered by the warranty get a stone through a headlamp glass for instance. Good luck, you'll need it - Been there, done that NEVER AGAIN. Regards - JB That is the same for any new car, even a Ford. This is true BUT parts from Ford and labour rates are a) Much more reasonably priced, :o More readily available and c) Not accompanied by arrogance. My neighbour had a brand new Laguna in January this year, it was plagued with problems from the start, the engine would go to tickover at any time for no apparent reason. It kept going back to the garage and coming back with no fault found. Finally he refused to drive it, his company insisted on another car being supplied, another new Laguna arrived. The exact same thing happened, eventually after 4 months Renault admitted there was a problem and took his diesel away and loaned him a petrol one. Finally 2 weeks ago he got his diesel back only to have the gearbox fail this week. Now thats impressive ! Regards - John I also know of people who have had arrogant attitudes from the local Ford dealer, plus major problems with their Fiesta, including a new gearbox at six monbths old.As for service costs, 18,000 service is Quote
seatkid Posted November 4, 2004 Report Posted November 4, 2004 What do you expect us to say? Trying to promote a french car on the Galaxy forum? :o Quote
johnb80 Posted November 4, 2004 Report Posted November 4, 2004 Ah so you're tied to dealer servicing and of course there always the parts not covered by the warranty get a stone through a headlamp glass for instance. Good luck, you'll need it - Been there, done that NEVER AGAIN. Regards - JB That is the same for any new car, even a Ford. This is true BUT parts from Ford and labour rates are a) Much more reasonably priced, :o More readily available and c) Not accompanied by arrogance. My neighbour had a brand new Laguna in January this year, it was plagued with problems from the start, the engine would go to tickover at any time for no apparent reason. It kept going back to the garage and coming back with no fault found. Finally he refused to drive it, his company insisted on another car being supplied, another new Laguna arrived. The exact same thing happened, eventually after 4 months Renault admitted there was a problem and took his diesel away and loaned him a petrol one. Finally 2 weeks ago he got his diesel back only to have the gearbox fail this week. Now thats impressive ! Regards - John I also know of people who have had arrogant attitudes from the local Ford dealer, plus major problems with their Fiesta, including a new gearbox at six monbths old.As for service costs, 18,000 service is Quote
seatkid Posted November 4, 2004 Report Posted November 4, 2004 :lol:I'm sure it'll be a fine car...despite it being french :o Just a bit, no - a lot narked about HJ site which pulled all my posts discussing the "advanced electronics" of Renault (re: Vel Satis that developed a mind of its own and wouldn't stop news story) because of the "threat" of legal action by Renault. There's free speech for you Raindrops keep falling on my ed....and just like the guy who.... Quote
Guest AlanA Posted November 4, 2004 Report Posted November 4, 2004 No, I will keep you all informed of how I get on, warts and all.French or Spanish, neither is built in this country and keeps jobs here unfortunatly... Quote
johnb80 Posted November 5, 2004 Report Posted November 5, 2004 No, I will keep you all informed of how I get on, warts and all.French or Spanish, neither is built in this country and keeps jobs here unfortunatly... Sorry I thought the 2.3 had a Ford petrol engine in it which was built in the UK ???? I still have to say the French are a law unto themselves, remeber the lamb and the beef situations, it always seems it's the EEC + France when it suits them. Thats it now I'll put my soap box away for another year, live and let live, enjoy your Espace and ignore all of us sniggering. Regards - John Quote
seatkid Posted November 5, 2004 Report Posted November 5, 2004 I generally dont take much notice of surveys but... :lol: Top Gear motoring survey 2004 - The bottom 10 Top Gear motoring survey 2004 - The 10 most unreliable cars sur le pont d'avignon aloutte....... Quote
Ivor_E_Tower Posted November 5, 2004 Report Posted November 5, 2004 sur le pont d'avignon aloutte....... No, no.. Sur le pont d'Avignon, l'on y danse round their Renaults that won't start, and loads more throw themselves over the side with ropes around their necks....... Quote
Guest nelse Posted November 5, 2004 Report Posted November 5, 2004 I generally dont take much notice of surveys but... :lol: Top Gear motoring survey 2004 - The bottom 10 Top Gear motoring survey 2004 - The 10 most unreliable cars sur le pont d'avignon aloutte....... and you forgot this one, listing manufacturers http://www.topgear.com/content/features/st...survey_2004/07/ Quote
johnb80 Posted November 5, 2004 Report Posted November 5, 2004 The title says it all 'Sorry Guys' he knows exactly what he's done :lol: Quote
Guest AlanA Posted November 6, 2004 Report Posted November 6, 2004 I generally dont take much notice of surveys but... :lol: Top Gear motoring survey 2004 - The bottom 10 Top Gear motoring survey 2004 - The 10 most unreliable cars sur le pont d'avignon aloutte....... And these were based upon the older Espace Mk3, not the Espace Mk4, a completly different model. Quote
Guest AlanA Posted November 6, 2004 Report Posted November 6, 2004 I generally dont take much notice of surveys but... :lol: Top Gear motoring survey 2004 - The bottom 10 Top Gear motoring survey 2004 - The 10 most unreliable cars sur le pont d'avignon aloutte....... http://www.topgear.com/content/features/st...survey_2003/05/ And http://www.topgear.com/content/features/st...survey_2002/13/ Galaxy and Sharan do very well don't they? Quote
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